Flex Fuel sensor issue

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Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby JordonMusser on Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:15 am

Everything seems to be functioning as it should with my flex fuel system, although the Eth content doesn't seem to change. Ive been running e85 from the pump for about a year, and it has never flucuated more than .5% from 85-86%. Clearly there is no way, as this is just pump fuel.

When i first installed the sensor I ran 93 then switched to e85, and the sensor responded correctly. No diagnostic issues, fuel temp looks roughly correct. For ref, this is the sensor I am using: https://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.m ... gory_Code=

I believe eth% is communicated via changing frequency, the raw voltage (shown at bottom of the attachment) does fluctuate as expected, but I have not logged.

Any thoughts? Clearly it could be a bad sensor, but just making sure I am not missing anything obvious.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby SteveC on Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:33 am

I actually unknown to me purchased a fake sensor - and this worked at the start then just read E60 all the time.

New sensor direct from Motec fixed this but there seems to be a lot of bogus parts available at the moment.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby Stephen Dean on Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:48 am

Try changing the calibration to Manual and use 50 = 0% and 150 = 100% for the table.

Some of the sensors that are labelled as being Continental do not work the same way.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby JordonMusser on Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:05 am

Stephen,
I gave that a shot (50hz to 150hz I assume) but no dice. voltage ref from Hybrid A is at ~.141

So my assumption is bad sensor. but open to more ideas.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby JordonMusser on Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:29 am

If it makes a difference, I am using 13577394 (long arm)
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby Stephen Dean on Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:18 am

I have one of the long arm sensors in my car and I use the above calibration for it.

Water in the fuel can also cause higher numbers.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby JordonMusser on Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:58 am

Ya definitely not water. I ordered a new sensor will see how that shakes out since it appears I have it setup correctly.

Thanks for the input
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby JordonMusser on Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:18 pm

Following up. Replaced sensor and still getting the exact same 85%. This sensor was brand new in a AC DELCO bag, so I have to assume its correct. Its the "long style".

Any help on further diagnostic? No way is my local Kroger 85% all the time :) my old car with a proEFI setup said it was 65-80 typically.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby MalcolmG on Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:20 am

why don't you dilute it 50% with petrol and see whether it comes down to 42% It sounds like you're diagnosing a faulty sensor due to a hunch, despite 2 sensors giving you the same reading.
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Re: Flex Fuel sensor issue

Postby JordonMusser on Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:04 am

Welp, i am a fucking idiot. The sensor did respond when I added a few gallons of 93. I am going to get an eth tester and compare it to fuel in my system and see how well it correlates to my sensor reading.

Guess I am lucky I am getting good % eth! :D
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