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Low Side Ignition with IGBT to fire ignition coil

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 10:51 pm
by danipisca07
Hello everybody.
I've printed a pcb to make an adapter for my OEM wiring harness (there isn't a PNP kit).

I have everything working correctly but after about 30 seconds of functioning the IGBT I have used to drive te coils seems to burn, stops working and starts buzzing (at which point I have disconnected everything to prevent damage to the ecu).

I have setup the coils like this:
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And I have used this IGBT: STGB20NB41LZT4 (https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stgb20nb41lzt4.pdf)

Which I control using the IGN_LS1 output from the ecu.
The engine is a 4 cylinder but have 2 coils with a wasted spark.

I have setup dwell times around 5/6 ms which I know to work perfectly with other adapters and the same ecu on the same coils/engine.
The igbt doesn't seem to get hot (touching it by end) right away, but at some point it stops warking (spark not happening) and starts to heat up until burning hot and buzzing.
Something strange I noticed is that IGN_LS1 when active doesn't provide 12V (battery pos) but hovers around 6/7 V. Is that normal? Anyway that should be more than enough to saturate the IGBT.

Did I do something wrong?
Thank you beforehand to anyone that will try to help.

Re: Low Side Ignition with IGBT to fire ignition coil

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:59 pm
by SprinterTRD
"Something strange I noticed is that IGN_LS1 when active doesn't provide 12V (battery pos) but hovers around 6/7 V. Is that normal? Anyway that should be more than enough to saturate the IGBT."

Yes this is normal and it is not connected to 12V. The output is a constant current one not a constant voltage one.

Re: Low Side Ignition with IGBT to fire ignition coil

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 8:25 pm
by danipisca07
Thank you for the info sprinter, didn't know that, it make sense.
Anyway I still don't understand why the igbt "fryies".

This is what i'm using: https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stgb20nb41lzt4.pdf

From what I understand of it's characteristics it should enable correctly with a 40mA current...

Re: Low Side Ignition with IGBT to fire ignition coil

PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:07 am
by Stephen Dean
When it is not getting a control signal, i.e. the ECU is not either supplying 0mA or 40mA, what is happening with the output? It may be that if it is not under control by the ECU then the output is floating, which leads to the coil constantly dwelling and cooking itself.

Re: Low Side Ignition with IGBT to fire ignition coil

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2025 8:42 pm
by danipisca07
Hello Stephen, thank you for your answer, sorry for the delay but I noticed it only now.
I don't think that is the problem since if I don't turn on the engine the problem (the igbt frying) never occurs.
So I suppose is a condition that only happens when engine in running.

Anyway I have made a test with an oscilloscope measuring voltage on the gate and on the emitter of the igbt (before it started to fry

https://imgur.com/a/enqNhDu

Yellow is the gate
Blue is the emitter

I think this should prove that is not the problem. Correct?