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I was wondering if anyone can help me with some information which seems to be quite hard to come by easily.

I am looking into getting a few crimpers and i need to know what dies and positioners i need to do a high standard of work.
The connectors i want to deal with are the Deutsch DT,DTM,DTP and Autosport AS, mini AS and ADD also the AMP superseal 1.0 for the MoTeC M*** , VIPEC,Link,Haltech ECUs the wire i have is M22759/32 in AWG 22,20,18,16,14.

Im looking into purchasing the DMC MH-860, AMP pro-crimper III but i dont know what positioners and dies to purchase for the above connectors and wire sizes.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Last time I checked AMP wanted $1800.00 USD just for a single set of dies for the SS 1.0. F that. Unless you are needing production level tooling Motec sells a crimper for the SS 1.0 that works fine. For the DMC tooling look it up by the MS number of the contact used, see the DMC website. DTM/ATM type connectors use the size 20 contacts, the MS number will be something like MS192-(size). Same with Autosport contacts, its all milspec stuff, order positioners via MS number of the contacts.

Milspec= somebody else designed it, the winning contractor was the lowest bidder, a lot of the cost is in the paper trail required, not the actual parts cost.

Scott@FP wrote:Last time I checked AMP wanted $1800.00 USD just for a single set of dies for the SS 1.0. F that. Unless you are needing production level tooling Motec sells a crimper for the SS 1.0 that works fine. For the DMC tooling look it up by the MS number of the contact used, see the DMC website. DTM/ATM type connectors use the size 20 contacts, the MS number will be something like MS192-(size). Same with Autosport contacts, its all milspec stuff, order positioners via MS number of the contacts.

Milspec= somebody else designed it, the winning contractor was the lowest bidder, a lot of the cost is in the paper trail required, not the actual parts cost.

I have seen the AMP pro crimper III on ebay for a $200-300 US dollars and from various places that sell new for around $300-350 new so i don't think the die for it wont be $1500? U must have it confused for another kit.I am also aware of a cheaper crimper for the superseal 1.0 which can be found here http://www.msel.co.nz/epages/motorsport ... s/TOOCRIGP

Regarding the DMC MH860 positioners. I have found the positioners for the AFM8 which is

K40 - Deutsch AS series size 22 sockets
K42 - Deutsch AS series size 22 pins
K43 - Deutsch AS series size 20 sockets/pins
K151 - Deutsch AS series size 16 sockets/pins

Do these apply for the Deutsch DT , DTM series connector contacts?

But deutsch do not mention the M22520/7 which is the DMC MH860 only the m22520/2 for the DMC AFM8

Whats the difference between M22520/2 and M22520/7?

I can only add for the DTM connectors you would normally use a K1S positioner in the AFM8. My understanding is the M22520/7 is the same basic frame as the AFM8 but is fitted with larger jaws so it can take up to 16AWG, compared to only 20AWG for the AFM8. I have no idea however if you can actually use the /02 positioners in the /07 tool.

Another common option is the AF8 - if you get the universal positioner you can pretty much crimp any mil type contact including all the AS/DT/DTM.

AdamW wrote:I can only add for the DTM connectors you would normally use a K1S positioner in the AFM8. My understanding is the M22520/7 is the same basic frame as the AFM8 but is fitted with larger jaws so it can take up to 16AWG, compared to only 20AWG for the AFM8. I have no idea however if you can actually use the /02 positioners in the /07 tool.

Another common option is the AF8 - if you get the universal positioner you can pretty much crimp any mil type contact including all the AS/DT/DTM.

Yes you must be able to use the K1S for the size 20 contacts as well.

My understanding is the AF8 will go down to the size 20 contacts but not the size 22 contacts as which is common in the autosport AS series connectors.

The reason i want to go to the MH860 is because it does all your common size contacts like 16,20,22 etc all in one crimper without needing to buy both AF8 and AFM8 , the only downfall is that it wont do the size 12 contacts for the DTP series connector but thats ok because i really use that size and i have a cheap field crimper for that anyway.

I might have to contact DMC to see which positioners are needed for those size contacts.

If you search for AMP tooling on their website for terminal 3-1447221-4 you come up with the following-

http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/1454509 ... =1454509-2

Check out the pricing info. Egads. There's got to be an alternative or five.

https://www.dmctools.com/store/browser.asp

Pretty handy and easy for figuring out DMC tooling, the circular milspec contacts are SUPPOSED to have color coding on them like a resistor, ones for a DTM socket are brown/brown/green, pin is brown/brown/black, enter those values and all your tooling pops up.